Enjoyed this thank you. However, and accepting that he’s become a anti-semitic madman in recent years, it’s worth acknowledging the genius composer of all of this stuff was Roger Waters. I love DG - crossed the pond from London to pay homage to him at Madison Square Garden last year, and his guitar created the soundtrack to my life, but I’m not sure how much it could sing without Roger’s compositional skills
Yes of course and it's a very worthy question. You are completely correct.
The yin and yang i was riffing on explains the animosity that was the undercurrent for so much of their time as a band and the split.
So much great creativity in life comes from these struggles doesn't it. We clearly share the soundtrack and are privileged to have had the joy and pain of them both. Thanks for your note Carlo
Very good point. Tension and friction are essential for any forward progress. I’m a McGilchrist fan - he’s very good on this. And what he calls the coincidence of opposites - exactly your yin-yang point
Now, look what you've done. I did some digging and found gold. The result will be in my next post, but a sincere thank you for turning me onto McGilchrist, and it also reminded me just how much I have loved the work of Niels Bohr...
Yes its hard to imagine how such a creative genius like Roger Waters can also be such a deplorable human. Seems he has some deeper work to do. Dont we all?
Yeah i probably need to rabbit hole on points one and two. I genuinely don't want to meet my heroes but in this case i now have to make an exception. From my memory i remember him being very opaque on his actual position but will see what turns up.
We don’t want to meet our heroes? Weren’t you with me at that event with Dave and Nick … I still have the signed albums we left with .. though I never did get them framed like you suggested. Still on the ToDo list.
If proof were needed .. reviewing David’s catalogue post Final Cut .. and you find the music continues but the words lack a certain ‘je ne sais quoi’ .. with all respect to Polly .. meanwhile listening to Roger .. the story continues … a musician that has passion and a message that he constantly delivers. He continues on his journey. He wants to move forward … and tries to.. not always with greatest success witness La Cira and yet 12 years later at what 70 years old .. comes out with Is This The Life We Really Want and then 10 years after that to celebrate 50 years of DarkSide totally reimagines it .. not everyone’s cup of tea .. but seriously .. not a remix, an atmos a reforming but something totally reimagined.
To me the power of the combination is like nursery rhymes .. the music sucks you in and the lyrics become background.. and yet when you do listen .. holy crap! That tension that was mentioned above.
As for R’s anti semitism .. I will take questions off line 😎
Yes, this discussion is v. interesting and takes me back to the ‘never meet your heroes’ truism.
I've been such a fanboy i disregarded (chose not to rabbit hole) the politics, chose to surf the themes in the music.
You are quite right about the profundity of Waters words and relentless Dylanesque protest energy. That was what Gilmour echoed with beautiful anguish.
Carlo Navato on this thread pointed to McGilchrist’s coincidence of opposites which i am riffing on right now.
Agree also with your end point so much to further push the richness of this - hearing the words of songs sometimes five decades later reveals another series of gifts and explodes all over you with whole other level.
Still, Waters runs deep while Gilmours axe flies high.
Brilliant article, John. It would make a wonderful documentary. I kept on envisioning your voice on top of the music with video clips from live concerts of his playing.
If there’s a single exquisite example of the tensions of playing in the space between, this is it!
Another great piece. I share your passion for all things Floyd and admire your ability to effortlessly draw parallels between worlds. Having also experienced your generosity of thought and willingness to help others. I'd just like to say... Shine on, John!
Thanks, Daniel, and yes, there's a lot going on down that dark hole. There's a line somewhere I can't quite remember, but it warns us against ever meeting our heroes... I'm certain to return to this topic.
Interesting point on the value of feelings and pain. Will #AI ever feel pain? See #RobbieStamp 's work on ai ethics clearly showing that without pain there is no accountability so the accountability lies with humans . More recently #DanielHulme 's work on consciousness, asking whether it is better to have zombie GenAi or ‘intelligent’ pain ‘feeling’ ai.
Worth is an odd word. The guitar is ‘worth’ $14.6 million because that was what somebody was prepared to pay for it. That was the cost. The financial cost. Not the worth.
Enjoyed this thank you. However, and accepting that he’s become a anti-semitic madman in recent years, it’s worth acknowledging the genius composer of all of this stuff was Roger Waters. I love DG - crossed the pond from London to pay homage to him at Madison Square Garden last year, and his guitar created the soundtrack to my life, but I’m not sure how much it could sing without Roger’s compositional skills
Yes of course and it's a very worthy question. You are completely correct.
The yin and yang i was riffing on explains the animosity that was the undercurrent for so much of their time as a band and the split.
So much great creativity in life comes from these struggles doesn't it. We clearly share the soundtrack and are privileged to have had the joy and pain of them both. Thanks for your note Carlo
Very good point. Tension and friction are essential for any forward progress. I’m a McGilchrist fan - he’s very good on this. And what he calls the coincidence of opposites - exactly your yin-yang point
Now, look what you've done. I did some digging and found gold. The result will be in my next post, but a sincere thank you for turning me onto McGilchrist, and it also reminded me just how much I have loved the work of Niels Bohr...
Thats what we’re here for John. Bohr - master! “Ah we have a paradox - now we can make some progress…"
Yes its hard to imagine how such a creative genius like Roger Waters can also be such a deplorable human. Seems he has some deeper work to do. Dont we all?
Indeed, don't we all!! Well said.
Just seeing Daniel’s ‘deplorable ’ comment … two thoughts
1) freedom fighter v terrorist depends on context
2) anti people or anti actions .. the former is too often reported to support the preferred narrative .. and action ignored
3) when truths come out we often find bad things deeply hidden in otherwise good people
.. ok .. 3 thoughts 😉
Yeah i probably need to rabbit hole on points one and two. I genuinely don't want to meet my heroes but in this case i now have to make an exception. From my memory i remember him being very opaque on his actual position but will see what turns up.
We don’t want to meet our heroes? Weren’t you with me at that event with Dave and Nick … I still have the signed albums we left with .. though I never did get them framed like you suggested. Still on the ToDo list.
If proof were needed .. reviewing David’s catalogue post Final Cut .. and you find the music continues but the words lack a certain ‘je ne sais quoi’ .. with all respect to Polly .. meanwhile listening to Roger .. the story continues … a musician that has passion and a message that he constantly delivers. He continues on his journey. He wants to move forward … and tries to.. not always with greatest success witness La Cira and yet 12 years later at what 70 years old .. comes out with Is This The Life We Really Want and then 10 years after that to celebrate 50 years of DarkSide totally reimagines it .. not everyone’s cup of tea .. but seriously .. not a remix, an atmos a reforming but something totally reimagined.
To me the power of the combination is like nursery rhymes .. the music sucks you in and the lyrics become background.. and yet when you do listen .. holy crap! That tension that was mentioned above.
As for R’s anti semitism .. I will take questions off line 😎
Yes, this discussion is v. interesting and takes me back to the ‘never meet your heroes’ truism.
I've been such a fanboy i disregarded (chose not to rabbit hole) the politics, chose to surf the themes in the music.
You are quite right about the profundity of Waters words and relentless Dylanesque protest energy. That was what Gilmour echoed with beautiful anguish.
Carlo Navato on this thread pointed to McGilchrist’s coincidence of opposites which i am riffing on right now.
Agree also with your end point so much to further push the richness of this - hearing the words of songs sometimes five decades later reveals another series of gifts and explodes all over you with whole other level.
Still, Waters runs deep while Gilmours axe flies high.
Brilliant article, John. It would make a wonderful documentary. I kept on envisioning your voice on top of the music with video clips from live concerts of his playing.
If there’s a single exquisite example of the tensions of playing in the space between, this is it!
Another great piece. I share your passion for all things Floyd and admire your ability to effortlessly draw parallels between worlds. Having also experienced your generosity of thought and willingness to help others. I'd just like to say... Shine on, John!
That's very kind Des.
Wonderful reading, thank you.
Thanks, Daniel, and yes, there's a lot going on down that dark hole. There's a line somewhere I can't quite remember, but it warns us against ever meeting our heroes... I'm certain to return to this topic.
Continue the writing and lets evolve together from there. Thanks again.
Beautiful combinations of tools and creative spaces that enable people to live freely without being monetised. Thanks @John
I hadn't heard of the Daniel Hulme work will take a look x
Interesting point on the value of feelings and pain. Will #AI ever feel pain? See #RobbieStamp 's work on ai ethics clearly showing that without pain there is no accountability so the accountability lies with humans . More recently #DanielHulme 's work on consciousness, asking whether it is better to have zombie GenAi or ‘intelligent’ pain ‘feeling’ ai.
Worth is an odd word. The guitar is ‘worth’ $14.6 million because that was what somebody was prepared to pay for it. That was the cost. The financial cost. Not the worth.